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Zudovex
02-04-2011, 10:31 AM
Here's a link for no throttle and no clock for 1.5, I know a lot of people are using the ones for 1.0 without issues but since some people are reporting problems I decided to wait till I found this....
http://androidforums.com/droid-x-all-things-root/271192-no-clock-no-throttle-no-clock-no-throttle-liberty-1-5-a.html

Hope it helps. Enjoy!

Edit: props go to bouchigo

entrance not for everybody, for madmen only

Droid-Xer
02-04-2011, 10:36 AM
Here are the direct links. Again props to Bouchigo

NO THROTTLE
No_Throttle_Liberty_1.5.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?l6llsdrzr9svt55)

NO CLOCK
No_Clock_Liberty_1.5.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?d3edh4gwvp0xwlu)

NO THROTTLE/NO CLOCK
No_Throttle_No_Clock_Liberty_1.5.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?chquggjvdazdv3o)

cynkrzy
02-04-2011, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the link, 'preciate it

1KDS
02-04-2011, 10:46 AM
Any for revo 1.5 yet?

From the X

Droid-Xer
02-04-2011, 11:03 AM
Try it out. In the pic, he seems to be running a theme.

ytsejamr
02-04-2011, 07:37 PM
What does no clock do?


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scottpole
02-04-2011, 07:42 PM
Takes the clock out of the status bar

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CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-04-2011, 08:39 PM
Ran the no throttle. I don't really like the fact that I can't change my preferred network settings, but I can take the hit for full speed connection all the time. (If that is what it does).

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-04-2011, 08:40 PM
Don't really care to lose my clock though. ;-)

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

scottpole
02-04-2011, 09:29 PM
I ran the no throttle and it removed the clock 0_o. I wanted to keep the clock is there a way to add it back?

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psychotic_penguin
02-04-2011, 09:43 PM
Did you do a backup before doing the mod? If so flash back to that, if not you're gonna probably have to reflash the ROM

scottpole
02-04-2011, 11:03 PM
Yea I didn't do a backup lol. But I have all my apps and adw settings backed up so im alright. Thanks for your input though

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kxkid
02-05-2011, 04:02 AM
Ok so how do u instill the no throttle one, and yes I am a newbie to the whole root, Tom and hack on Droid.

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Droid-Xer
02-05-2011, 04:10 AM
You install how you installed the rom except no wipe needed. Boot into clockwork install zip from SD, find zip, install, reboot

droid.does
02-05-2011, 12:13 PM
Another question. Is that all after the install? There's not a program or any way to check it worked?

1KDS
02-05-2011, 12:16 PM
you can use speedtest but you would have to do it before and after

droid.does
02-05-2011, 12:41 PM
But other than the speed test, I couldn't change the speed or settings on anything?

gravybird
02-05-2011, 01:23 PM
So just to be sure, installing the no throttle zip keeps big brother (vzw) from throttling our data speeds? Or do I have it all wrong?

Swyped while swerving

Zudovex
02-05-2011, 02:11 PM
So just to be sure, installing the no throttle zip keeps big brother (vzw) from throttling our data speeds? Or do I have it all wrong?

Swyped while swerving

Yeah that's what it does.

jimmy was an aardvark yet he ate dogfood

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-05-2011, 04:54 PM
That's what it's supposed to do rather.... LoL. I haven't had any issues yet, except the minor ones that were noted previously. Nothing to be concerned over though.

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-05-2011, 04:56 PM
I will let everone know how it keeps up with changing of towers tomorrow morning. Headed to Cali from Washingon....

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-05-2011, 09:30 PM
Works like butta'. Oh-so-smooth, and easy to swallow....

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

Zudovex
02-05-2011, 09:39 PM
Works like butta'. Oh-so-smooth, and easy to swallow....

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

Works great for me too. I used to get about 1.6 - 1.8 mbps down, now I get 2.4 consistently.

the glass isn't half empty or full, it's twice the size it needs to be

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-05-2011, 10:35 PM
Dads Blackberry lost signal in the hills, my DX just keeps soaking up them beautiful 3G rays.....

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-05-2011, 10:35 PM
Haven't skipped a beat yet.

L1B€T 1.5 ܣ€$ !!!

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-06-2011, 03:29 PM
Still doing it's thing. No hater lag in sight!

~On the house~

R.Bendt
02-06-2011, 04:10 PM
So if I do the throttle zip will I be flagged by Verizon for my data usage?

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CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-06-2011, 05:13 PM
Read ^

~On the house~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-06-2011, 05:15 PM
Let you know when I get the bill. Wait... It isn't on there yet, so I assume not.

~On the house~

R.Bendt
02-06-2011, 05:23 PM
I've tried to find answeres in the forums but couldn't find too much

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CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-06-2011, 05:37 PM
As far as I know, it is new. Might have to wait a couple weeks before you see reports of any counter actions brought on by service providers. As far as my knowledge is, there shouldn't be any negative actions, however, I have seen service providers pull some shady stuff so it is still use at your own risk.
But just to ease your mind a little, 4G phones are coming. So really it is "No love lost" if you are getting a new phone, right?

~On the house~

R.Bendt
02-06-2011, 05:51 PM
Thanks. I supose your right about the new phones

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CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-07-2011, 12:00 AM
I am noticing some annoying tower switching in Cali where I am at the minute. That is why I wish I could have my network preferences back. But I definitely don't want to be throttled, so.... Dev, it's your call. LoL

~On the house~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-07-2011, 12:00 AM
Guess I could try to get an app that would let me choose. Let me find out.

~On the house~

spmdroidx
02-07-2011, 11:08 AM
What really is the benefit? Am I so supose to be faster and never loose a signal? Cause my gf's fascinate seems fast and sometimes faster. And I keep getting the 1x logo. I used juice defender to disable data but I turned data back on, so did my app ruin the throttle hack?

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CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-07-2011, 11:19 AM
What really is the benefit? Am I so supose to be faster and never loose a signal? Cause my gf's fascinate seems fast and sometimes faster. And I keep getting the 1x logo. I used juice defender to disable data but I turned data back on, so did my app ruin the throttle hack?

No, in fact, I think Verzon is messing with the programming in the towers somehow. I was getting weird signals just before rooting and roms while I was sitting in one spot. The "No throttle hack" is supposed to deny the permission of Verizon to control you phones download speed. You are still limited by connection type, however, they shouldn't be able to choke your speed.

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~On the house~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-07-2011, 11:22 AM
I was comparing signals with my dads Blackberry, (bad example, I know), and we both were having issues with the signal. But it comes and it goes. I guess it all depends on built in antenna type and quality....

~On the house~

Sully112277
02-07-2011, 12:37 PM
Works great for me too. I used to get about 1.6 - 1.8 mbps down, now I get 2.4 consistently.

the glass isn't half empty or full, it's twice the size it needs to be

Where are you finding that info?



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1KDS
02-07-2011, 03:11 PM
probably the speedtest.net app

t.crawford714
02-08-2011, 08:06 PM
You guys might find this interesting...The vertical one is without the no throttle hack the other two horizontal ones are with the hack installed148831488414885

1KDS
02-08-2011, 08:27 PM
can't read the pics, too small

t.crawford714
02-08-2011, 08:45 PM
Maybe not allowed but the manager on DXF wasn't working...

Link deleted by OP :) Thanks 1KDS!!

1KDS
02-08-2011, 08:49 PM
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n587/crawford714/snap20110208_200145.png
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n587/crawford714/snap20110208_195859.png
http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n587/crawford714/snap20110208_194116.png

t.crawford714
02-08-2011, 08:56 PM
Thanks 1KDS! Anyone getting things like that? I should note the two horizontal ones are with the hack and the vertical one is without.

spmdroidx
02-09-2011, 07:00 PM
My upload looks the same but my download speed is still slow. It is about 660 kbit/s. I didn't test my 3g before the no clock no throttle though

Snow02
02-09-2011, 08:04 PM
Nevermind.

http://184.72.239.143/mu/61db51f0-4834-68fa.jpg

lectoid
02-10-2011, 10:04 AM
I ran speed tests for a day before the no_throttle mod. Ran the mod and put my phone in the exact same place on my desk, and I'm getting slower speeds. Guess I'll have to backup and reflash liberty.

shanehillsr
02-10-2011, 10:30 AM
I ran speed tests for a day before the no_throttle mod. Ran the mod and put my phone in the exact same place on my desk, and I'm getting slower speeds. Guess I'll have to backup and reflash liberty.

I'm wondering if this is a common issue. I had the same outcome. I am using the linear theme I also tried their no throttle hack with the same outcome. But the phones performance does not seem to be any different a far as 3G speeds are concerned. If anyone had any insight on this situation please enlighten us.

t.crawford714
02-10-2011, 10:50 AM
I got slower speeds too. I think this is from if you are throttled, it will be slow and the hack is still faster than being throttled.

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DroidXWolf
02-10-2011, 10:53 AM
Thanks man. This is awesome. Now I don't have to worry about silly Verizon slamming me for using 5gigs a month

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xrazedx
02-10-2011, 10:59 AM
Did you put it back around the same time? Speeds vary depending on time of day.
I, too, noticed slower TEST speeds immediately after applying the mod. However, ACTUAL speed performance seemed about the same or even better. Going to the same heavily loaded sites prior to the mod and after took approximately the same amount of time in some cases. In other cases, it seemed faster after the mod.
Anyways, now I am getting about the same speed test results as i did prior to the mod.

These are the speeds I always get, give or take.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd414/xrazedx/snap20110210_115021.png

For those who prefer not to use the app...

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd414/xrazedx/snap20110210_115004.png

t.crawford714
02-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Did you put it back around the same time? Speeds vary depending on time of day.
I, too, noticed slower TEST speeds immediately after applying the mod. However, ACTUAL speed performance seemed about the same or even better. Going to the same heavily loaded sites prior to the mod and after took approximately the same amount of time in some cases. In other cases, it seemed faster after the mod.
Anyways, now I am getting about the same speed test results as i did prior to the mod.

These are the speeds I always get, give or take.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd414/xrazedx/snap20110210_115021.png

For those who prefer not to use the app...

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd414/xrazedx/snap20110210_115004.png

I tested within 15 minutes of each other, ran the test before the hack and with the hack several times. Without the hack it was about the same and with the hack the test showed slower but around the same testing speeds. I did notice that with the hack testing speeds were slower but performance was around the same, like you said. For both tests I was browsing DXF like I normally would, I wasn't opening 10 tabs, I was opening 9 (it's a joke) I did have several tabs going though and it stayed about the same, maybe a tad faster for now.

My theory is...
--that without the hack or being throttled your not restricted (like the governor on an engine)
--Being throttled without the hack is the governor is set low and your speeds are very slow
--Being throttled with the hack is faster than without the hack but your not running unregulated (unless the hack dev can verify, I'm only saying what I think)
--Not being throttled with the hack may govern (restrict) speeds a little bit because if you being throttled it would be faster, just not as fast as if you had a stock phone. (If you see 3rd theory, hack dev could verify and I may be wrong)


Thanks man. This is awesome. Now I don't have to worry about silly Verizon slamming me for using 5gigs a month

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5gb is what people are saying and then I hear other people say it is only some (the data hogs, not saying that's a bad thing, your using your UNLIMITED data, which I like.) I think it will only hit the people going over 10 or 15gb....for now

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 11:46 AM
Yea, it will only affect users over a certain amount. Most say 5gb, some say 2gb, and others say a bunch of other numbers. Honestly, no matter how much data I use, I get relatively the same speeds. Yes, I have gone over 5gb for those who may be wondering. However, I did notice that whenever I used a lot of data in a short amount if time, my speeds (actual not test) slowed down. With the mod, I haven't experienced that anymore.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 11:56 AM
You guys need to stop relying on these silly speed tests, they are wildly inaccurate and can be easily varied due to a number of extraneous variables. If you have the no throttle hack then your services.jar is permanently modified with throttling entry removed. Its installed, its helping... weather you notice it immediately or not.

{{ WugFresh }}

t.crawford714
02-10-2011, 12:23 PM
If you made a backup before you installed it and then restored it, nothing should be modified. I'm only doing this for theory....

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Yeah of course. I just saw people on this thread who installed no throttle, did a speed test and it wasn't faster, and decided to reinstall their ROM... that makes no sense. Just flash no throttle and know its there.

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 12:45 PM
You guys need to stop relying on these silly speed tests, they are wildly inaccurate and can be easily varied due to a number of extraneous variables. If you have the no throttle hack then your services.jar is permanently modified with throttling entry removed. Its installed, its helping... weather you notice it immediately or not.

{{ WugFresh }}

You misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was just stating a concidence, nothing more. Notice how I compared actual speeds to test speeds.
The speed tests, while many claim them to be inaccurate, they do serve as a measure. I always try to keep any variables I can control the same between test.
I wasn't doubting the benefits of the mod at all. I was just trying to ease the minds of those who seem worried that their test speeds were slower after the mod.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 12:52 PM
I wasn't referring to your post xrazedx, you obviously know what you are doing. I was referencing this;


I ran speed tests for a day before the no_throttle mod. Ran the mod and put my phone in the exact same place on my desk, and I'm getting slower speeds. Guess I'll have to backup and reflash liberty.

{{ WugFresh }}

shanehillsr
02-10-2011, 04:23 PM
I wasn't referring to your post xrazedx, you obviously know what you are doing. I was referencing this;



{{ WugFresh }}

It will be okay guys I'm sure everyone got an answer its not that serious...lol

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 04:51 PM
I wasn't referring to your post xrazedx, you obviously know what you are doing. I was referencing this;



{{ WugFresh }}

Oh, lol. My apologizes then.

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 04:53 PM
It will be okay guys I'm sure everyone got an answer its not that serious...lol

Nothing malicious was said. Lol, we're just giving our 2 cents. Wug and I are cool.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 05:20 PM
LoL!!! Yeah jeez xrazedx, hurting my feelings over here.

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 05:28 PM
LoL!!! Yeah jeez xrazedx, hurting my feelings over here.

{{ WugFresh }}

Lol, my fault.

Off topic: Btw, what's good with that site you were working on?

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 05:35 PM
Response to off topic:
Its going to be up soon... but I got side tracked with coding WugPort, finishing that site is next on the list..and when I say up soon, I am not talking about all the content, that will take sometime and I definitly still want your help. I will get in contact with you when its coming together and give you server access and what not. I have a full featured cms my friend coded, so we can really skill it.

On topic:
Do you guys really think that the modified services.jar will protect you from getting throttled, or moto and Verizon were smart and hid something deeper in the phone.

{{ WugFresh }}

Droid-Xer
02-10-2011, 05:42 PM
Im sure there are many surprises in the bootloader that Moto hasn't told us about...

Snow02
02-10-2011, 05:43 PM
Huh? Like what?

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 05:47 PM
Like a straight up Kill Switch. I know if I was moto and I had a locked bootloader, I would most definitely include one... maybe I'm just evil.

{{ WugFresh }}

Snow02
02-10-2011, 05:51 PM
No, the bootloader doesn't do anything once the phone is booted. I'm sure most of the files in the phone have been decompiled and looked at. You might be giving moto too much credit.

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 05:51 PM
Response to off topic:
Its going to be up soon... but I got side tracked with coding WugPort, finishing that site is next on the list..and when I say up soon, I am not talking about all the content, that will take sometime and I definitly still want your help. I will get in contact with you when its coming together and give you server access and what not. I have a full featured cms my friend coded, so we can really skill it.

On topic:
Do you guys really think that the modified services.jar will protect you from getting throttled, or moto and Verizon were smart and hid something deeper in the phone.

{{ WugFresh }}

I think in the future they will start to throttle us on the network side rather than from our phones. So the mod will work for now but if they decide to do that, then I don't know how we would be able to bypass that.

Off topic: Ok, just let me know.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 05:54 PM
I think thats impossible... It has to be on the phone side. The towers transmit a constant frequency in a limiting radius... I don't think they could throttle you individually... maybe after it got to the tower there was some way to process a unique id number and then they throttled it... but that sounds like extra technology.. might as well build more towers at that point... unless they did it already.

{{ WugFresh }}

TideFan22
02-10-2011, 05:56 PM
I thought the throttle mod didn't change anything unless you us alot of data I thought that's where u will see a difference not just cause u have on your phone your gonna be faster. That's how I understood it to work. I may be wrong though

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Snow02
02-10-2011, 05:56 PM
@wug
You're right. It would be computationally expensive.

Droid-Xer
02-10-2011, 05:59 PM
The throttle hack is beneficial for those who use a large amount of data and for those in congested areas where they throttle the speeds during peak hours. And i put nothing past Moto and VZW

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 06:01 PM
I think thats impossible... It has to be on the phone side. The towers transmit a constant frequency in a limiting radius... I don't think they could throttle you individually... maybe after it got to the tower there was some way to process a unique id number and then they throttled it... but that sounds like extra technology.. might as well build more towers at that point... unless they did it already.

{{ WugFresh }}

That's what I was thinking in regards to the unique id for each phone.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:02 PM
@Tidefan
You are correct, we started theorizing other ways they could throttle us even with the no throttle services.jar

@snow
It certainly seems that way, sounds like that would be so counter-productuve, probably slow down the whole network... you would have to process every single transmission then set data governers on it.. all before redirecting it. That's a lot of tech to prevent building tech.

You would be individually managing bandwidth for ever single connection.

So much easier on the phone.

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 06:03 PM
@wug
You're right. It would be computationally expensive.

Verizon has the money for it. Trust me. If they do offer unlimited 4g plans, network-side throttling will definitely be considered an option to Verizon.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:06 PM
So much easier to hide it in the bootloader.

{{ WugFresh }}

Snow02
02-10-2011, 06:07 PM
Correct, and with LTE coming on line, bandwidth isn't going to be an issue. They introduced throttling primarily for the iphoners as most people who signed up before this month will be on LTE come their next renewal.

Snow02
02-10-2011, 06:08 PM
So much easier to hide it in the bootloader.

{{ WugFresh }}

Hide what in the bootloader? That doesn't even make sense.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:09 PM
I bet if its not already in there, Verizon will roll out another OTA, they are not stupid.. they know root users are the ones responsible for "abusing" their unlimited data plan, and most certainly aware of the no throttle hack by now, especially if they just made it a publically announced policy change.

{{ WugFresh }}

Snow02
02-10-2011, 06:09 PM
Verizon has the money for it. Trust me. If they do offer unlimited 4g plans, network-side throttling will definitely be considered an option to Verizon.

Computationally, not monetarily expensive. It would not make sense to implement is what I'm saying.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:13 PM
Hide what in the bootloader? That doesn't even make sense.

A symmetric key needed to obtain permissions to modify services.jar, or some system level data governer... I don't know... is that impossible?

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 06:13 PM
Computationally, not monetarily expensive. It would not make sense to implement is what I'm saying.

Yes, that is it. However, I don't know how they would do it, but network-side throttling may come. You dont think its possible verizon would do it? Not now, but sometime in the future.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:16 PM
Just seems silly if they can figure out a way to do it on the phone while still preventing root users from hacking it. Its way more practical from a technological standpoint to do it that way.

{{ WugFresh }}

Snow02
02-10-2011, 06:17 PM
No. They may put a hard cap on, but they will not dynamically throttle server-side.

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Just seems silly if they can figure out a way to do it on the phone while still preventing root users from hacking it. Its way more practical from a technological standpoint to do it that way.

{{ WugFresh }}

But they haven't yet, lol.

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 06:21 PM
No. They may put a hard cap on, but they will not dynamically throttle server-side.

You underestimate mobile carriers then.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:22 PM
Like I said, don't be surprised if there is an OTA update and all of a sudden everyone is throttled, that's just my prediction. You guys honestly think there is no way to hide something like that. Can't it be encrypted...?

{{ WugFresh }}

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:25 PM
You underestimate mobile carriers then.

I strongly disagree, I really think snow is right. It not logical to do it that way, it really isn't. Its not about weather they can, its just that in the end it will be reasoned to be completely impractical. Its a superfluous amount of extra tech to do something very simple user side.

{{ WugFresh }}

Snow02
02-10-2011, 06:25 PM
Encryption does not equal undetectable. Trust me, if they tried something like that, it would come out, and would be a PR disaster.

WugFresh
02-10-2011, 06:27 PM
Why a PR disaster. They will be like its a violation of TOS for user to edit that file. Or is it required of them that nothing be encrypted?

I mean... the bootloader is locked...

They could publically announce it along with their other tyranny.

"We are encrypting services.jar"

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-10-2011, 06:30 PM
I strongly disagree, I really think snow is right. It not logical to do it that way, it really isn't. Its not about weather they can, its just that in the end it will be reasoned to be completely impractical. Its a superfluous amount of extra tech to do something very simple user side.

{{ WugFresh }}

Lol, ok well only time will tell.

Snow02
02-10-2011, 06:38 PM
Why a PR disaster. They will be like its a violation of TOS for user to edit that file. Or is it required of them that nothing be encrypted?

I mean... the bootloader is locked...

They could publically announce it along with their other tyranny.

"We are encrypting services.jar"

{{ WugFresh }}

That's a different ordeal. They can't give the phone access to that file and have it be locked down at the same time, and stay that way. The bootloader is not analogous to other files on the phone.

TideFan22
02-10-2011, 06:44 PM
@Tidefan
You are correct, we started theorizing other ways they could throttle us even with the no throttle services.jar

@snow
It certainly seems that way, sounds like that would be so counter-productuve, probably slow down the whole network... you would have to process every single transmission then set data governers on it.. all before redirecting it. That's a lot of tech to prevent building tech.

You would be individually managing bandwidth for ever single connection.

So much easier on the phone.

{{ WugFresh }}

My bad I guess I should of read the post my bad I didn't realize that's what everyone was talking about

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CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-12-2011, 07:41 PM
Look down for dumb reply!





~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~


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mikeinrichmond
02-12-2011, 07:47 PM
Had to get rid of the "no throttle". After carefull diagnostic research, I found that this actually does more harm then good in many areas. Not trying to harm the devs reputation, but I think it could be a better written program.
Thanks anyway!


Could you please expound upon what diagnostic research you carried out and how this may do more harm than good?

WugFresh
02-12-2011, 08:25 PM
Had to get rid of the "no throttle". After carefull diagnostic research, I found that this actually does more harm then good in many areas. Not trying to harm the devs reputation, but I think it could be a better written program.
Thanks anyway!

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

What are you talking about?

-Diagnostic research? You mean emperical research? If so what were your controls, what tools did you use to test it and can you backup your assertion with data? I think you are confusing the term "diagnostic research" to mean google searching biased/un-informed articles, or getting bad signal in some places... just my guess, your welcome to prove me wrong

-Program? The no throttle hack is not a program, its an edit to a stock system file, it cannot be "written better" no one wrote anything, they removed something.

-Devs reputation? I don't think anyones rep is being jepordized from your vauge statement. Nor did anyone 'develop' anything.

Back to my first question; what are you talking about?

{{ WugFresh }}

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 11:38 AM
What are you talking about?

-Diagnostic research? You mean emperical research? If so what were your controls, what tools did you use to test it and can you backup your assertion with data? I think you are confusing the term "diagnostic research" to mean google searching biased/un-informed articles, or getting bad signal in some places... just my guess, your welcome to prove me wrong

-Program? The no throttle hack is not a program, its an edit to a stock system file, it cannot be "written better" no one wrote anything, they removed something.

-Devs reputation? I don't think anyones rep is being jepordized from your vauge statement. Nor did anyone 'develop' anything.

Back to my first question; what are you talking about?

{{ WugFresh }}

I stuck my finger in the little thingy, swirled it around a couple times, pulled it out and gave it a good sniff. It stank like crap, so I called b.s. ;-)


~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 11:40 AM
Flat out... It don't do nothing but block user settings! And I can see why you don't check your messages Wug. LoL.
I did restore my phone though after I found out this wasn't the answer. Works fine now. Just couldn't tell how bad this "Whatever" was until I started moving across state lines. It was so bad that I actually couldn't receive calls in big cities!
I would like to ask for an explanation, but it seems this was just a part of someone's bad humor, so I will just leave it alone.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

mikeinrichmond
02-13-2011, 11:46 AM
I've seen no demonstrated ill effects from using this mod., so until there is some definitive evidence to the contrary, I'll be happy to keep it.. :)

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 11:52 AM
I've seen no demonstrated ill effects from using this mod., so until there is some definitive evidence to the contrary, I'll be happy to keep it.. :)

Wish I could show you. It was a good idea, but it don't work. Just wish I could have shot a video or something.


~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:10 PM
So my guess was right. You got bad signal somewhere and that was your careful diagnostic research.. lol, sorry crash.... you could very well be right, but please don't pretend like you conducted a study when you obviously didn't. Here is how I would have phrased it.

'I noticed when I crossed statelines, that my service crapped out... when I restored the original services.jar my service came back. Do you guys think this is an indication that the no throttle services.jar doesn't help?'

Not "after conducting careful diagnostic research...". When I hear that, I think exactly what mike said. Can you explain this research? do you have data? Lol. I'm sorry crash, but you should think about how you present your findings if you don't want to get called out on bs.

{{ WugFresh }}

Snow02
02-13-2011, 03:19 PM
Yeah. Throttle hack works. End of discussion.

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:21 PM
In order Wug. Washington, Oregon, California, New Mexico, Texas, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, and I switched back before Ohio. I was unable to receive any download and upload data due to slow connection speeds. Worked good at first when I was in Washington, but now it is not worth beans. I would have said something personally to you, however, you are too busy dodging bad comments to check your inbox. I tried to be civil but this is just a huge waste of time...
And so you know, the research is personal info based on several different tests. I didn't want to just come out and say "It don't work" without actually trying to make it work. I would rather find out if I could help others. But there really is no benefit with this, so why use it?
By the way, I was sitting in Washington for a week.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:28 PM
That's a different ordeal. They can't give the phone access to that file and have it be locked down at the same time, and stay that way. The bootloader is not analogous to other files on the phone.

I guess that makes sense. My understanding of encryption is limited.

@Crash,
Where are all these messages? You emailed me? I haven't checked my email. Am I about to open up a million hateful emails? Lol

{{ WugFresh }}

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:32 PM
I guess that makes sense. My understanding of encryption is limited.

@Crash,
Where are all these messages? You emailed me? I haven't checked my email. Am I about to open up a million hateful emails? Lol

{{ WugFresh }}


I just don't bother Wug. You seem like you are taking this personally and act like you are not willing to help. So I don't waste my time.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:34 PM
@Crash, in no way am I doubting that you experienced something that would support your assertion. You just have to understand that, that is entirely different than conducting research. Lots of actual research is discredited with a LOT more data. Im not trying to say your just making stuff up. Its how you represented your findings.. that's all. No hard feelings bro.

{{ WugFresh }}

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:35 PM
I just don't bother Wug. You seem like you are taking this personally and act like you are not willing to help. So I don't waste my time. And I have to be honest, I really haven't noticed any kind of slow speeds after leaving Washington. So I think the whole Verizon thing was a b.s. call.... My usage is almost 20G's right now.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~



~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:38 PM
@Crash, in no way am I doubting that you experienced something that would support your assertion. You just have to understand that, that is entirely different than conducting research. Lots of actual research is discredited with a LOT more data. Im not trying to say your just making stuff up. Its how you represented your findings.. that's all. No hard feelings bro.

{{ WugFresh }}
Can't beat actual feedback from usage though. And I have tried a lot of things including wiping my phone and starting over.


~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:40 PM
I personally have conducted extensive research before and presented it to faculty at my university and was told that it wasn't strong enough to say my theory was valid. The term "diagnostic research" suggests careful adherence to the scientific method. Which is very difficult and requires a lot of data. Please don't take this personally or get offended for me asking you to back up your statements with hard evidence. Its really not that serious.

{{ WugFresh }}

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:40 PM
I am all over the U.S. Wug. If something is wrong with towers or my network, I would be one of the first to know. Right? Think, all of the variables I experience in a short period of time....

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:43 PM
I personally have conducted extensive research before and presented it to faculty at my university and was told that it wasn't strong enough to say my theory was valid. The term "diagnostic research" suggests careful adherence to the scientific method. Which is very difficult and requires a lot of data. Please don't take this personally or get offended for me asking you to back up your statements with hard evidence. Its really not that serious.

{{ WugFresh }}

My point exactly. More important for you to try and make a fool out of somebody then to fix a problem. Nuff said. Go clean your inbox.
But you should really see a dictionary. Seriously....
~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:44 PM
I am all over the U.S. Wug. If something is wrong with towers or my network, I would be one of the first to know. Right? Think, all of the variables I experience in a short period of time....

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

Seriously bro? Ever heard of the concept of 'extraneous variables'? You are trying to argue personal observational findings as research. Its just not the case. You are talking to someone who has actually conducted research. Lol.

{{ WugFresh }}

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:47 PM
My point exactly. More important for you to try and make a fool out of somebody then to fix a problem. Nuff said. Go clean your inbox.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

I am not trying to make a fool out of you. And I help people fix problems all the time. People have called me out on my own bs on these forums pleanty of times. Please stop getting upset over this. I am not trying to pick a fight with you.

{{ WugFresh }}

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 03:49 PM
I can tell Wug! The proof is in the pudding. Have a good day. This is getting too ignorant for me. I need to find higher life forms. Later.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 03:51 PM
Lol. Ok crash. I'm sorry I'm not on your level.

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-13-2011, 04:05 PM
My question is this...where did you get your no-throttle modded services.jar from crash? It is possible that you got one that had extra modifications done to it or something may have gotten corrupt. The reason I say this is because hundreds, maybe thousands, have used this mod all over the country and as far as I can tell, you are the first to report this issue.
I have traveled out-of-state and experienced no issues. I may not have traveled as much as you, but I have experienced no issues so far.

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 04:09 PM
My question is this...where did you get your no-throttle modded services.jar from crash? It is possible that you got one that had extra modifications done to it or something may have gotten corrupt. The reason I say this is because hundreds, maybe thousands, have used this mod all over the country and as far as I can tell, you are the first to report this issue.
I have traveled out-of-state and experienced no issues. I may not have traveled as much as you, but I have experienced no issues so far.

It might be my phone. I don't know, but before everyone starts to judge, I should say that the only thing I am thinking negative about is Wug.
I would actually like something that works, but I can't get that from someone who just wants to play mental games.
I have been getting it from the links in the thread. It was actually helping when I was sitting still in Washington. But when I started moving across the country, it failed me. In some spots where I should have been getting a strong signal, I was getting next to nothing. And then I started missing calls from work, blah blah blah....

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

WugFresh
02-13-2011, 04:12 PM
I am sorry you feel that way crash. If you have a problem, you can ask me and I would be happy to help.

{{ WugFresh }}

xrazedx
02-13-2011, 04:13 PM
It might be my phone. I don't know, but before everyone starts to judge, I should say that the only thing I am thinking negative about is Wug.
I would actually like something that works, but I can't get that from someone who just wants to play mental games.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

Try using the modded services.jar file from another source and see if you still have the same problems. Also, when switching the files, you don't have to restore a whole backup or anything. Just save the original services.jar and if your having problems with the mod, switch it back with root explorer. Remember to changes the permissions to rw r r.

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Try using the modded services.jar file from another source and see if you still have the same problems. Also, when switching the files, you don't have to restore a whole backup or anything. Just save the original services.jar and if your having problems with the mod, switch it back with root explorer. Remember to changes the permissions to rw r r.

I just figure I would wait until tomorrow and put it on my "freaking awesome" computer and play with some codes. (And yes, I can do this)

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

Snow02
02-13-2011, 04:21 PM
I can mod your services.jar if you would like. That would guarantee no incompatibilities.

mikeinrichmond
02-13-2011, 04:23 PM
Here's some interesting reading I found on the subject:

Verizon can now throttle top five percent of bandwidth hogs, downres multimedia transfers -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/verizon-can-now-throttle-top-five-percent-of-bandwidth-hogs-down/)

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 04:24 PM
I was thinking about writing some of my own stuff. Just for me, but I do in fact need to do some research. Smart phones are new for me. I can hack the crap out of a p.c. LoL

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

Snow02
02-13-2011, 04:28 PM
Yeah. Ok.

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 04:38 PM
Why not Snow? Do you know me? LoL.. Or is that just too much for you to imagine? Writing programs is easy. People change codes on the backgrounds for their Myspace pages every day. I go a little deeper then that. I am by no way a hacker or a genius, but I know a few things.
And I have access to some programs. They look quite lame actually, but they work.

~DX,1200Mhz on Milestone, Z4root, Liberty 1.5, Crystal X theme.~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 04:59 PM
See what I can come up with I guess. I don't know yet. Let me look into it.

~Monkey see monkey do~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-13-2011, 05:09 PM
Here's some interesting reading I found on the subject:

Verizon can now throttle top five percent of bandwidth hogs, downres multimedia transfers -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/verizon-can-now-throttle-top-five-percent-of-bandwidth-hogs-down/)

Almost seems like they are trying to make cheap explanations for network black outs from having too many users on the network. LoL. I only read the top quote though, that told me enough....
Crap! GTG, I am missing spongebob...

~Monkey see monkey do~

CrAsH_OvErIdE
02-16-2011, 06:22 AM
Anyone else having a problem not being able to check data usage using the Verizon app.?
Anyone else not able to change network settings?
Anyone else using this hack on a DX?
Anyone have a solution?

~Monkey see monkey do~

t.crawford714
02-16-2011, 07:49 AM
I'm having those issues also, after I installed the hack....

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Droid-Xer
02-16-2011, 09:25 AM
Not being able to use data network in settings is a side effect of the hack. I've never heard of an issue using the Verizon app though. Use a widget for 2g/3g changes.

Cigmanfroyd
02-16-2011, 10:07 AM
I'm having the same issues. I'll keep up with this thread in hopes of a solution. If the throttle "hack" only comes into play when you hit the 5gig mark then I may just flash back, I rarely go over 3gig anyway. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

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xrazedx
02-16-2011, 10:13 AM
I'm having those issues also, after I installed the hack....

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The issue was on Verizon's side. It has been resolved now so you should be able to check your data now. The mobile network settings thing was explained by Droid-Xer.

t.crawford714
02-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Oh, I already reflashed lol

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johnbergsing
03-01-2011, 05:59 PM
What do I do if I want my clock back?

t.crawford714
03-01-2011, 06:09 PM
What do I do if I want my clock back?

Reflash, or restore backup I think

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johnbergsing
03-01-2011, 06:11 PM
That's not what I wanted to hear. My only Liberty backup includes the no clock mod.

johnbergsing
03-01-2011, 06:32 PM
So without a backup that doesn't include the no clock mod, how do I get it back? Reflash Liberty 1.5?

mikeinrichmond
03-01-2011, 06:33 PM
John, I can hook you up with an unmodded services.jar file if you really need it..

Do you want it now, or were just asking in case you did?

johnbergsing
03-01-2011, 06:36 PM
Yes, I really want the clock back. How do I apply the unmod jar?

mikeinrichmond
03-01-2011, 06:54 PM
Yes, I really want the clock back. How do I apply the unmod jar?

You'll need Root Explorer from the Market. If you don't have it already, it's well worth the couple of bucks for all it can do. Here's the link:

Root Explorer File Manager (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.speedsoftware.rootexplorer&feature=search_result)

PM me your email address and I'll send ya the file from my stock Liberty setup.

Then put it on you SD card. Using R.E. goto /system/framework scroll down to services.jar (notice the permissions for the file, it will look like this RW-R--R--) now long press the file, then delete. Use the back arrow to go to your sd card directory and find my services.jar, long press, copy, then go back to the /system/framework directory and paste it there...If the moving of the file changed the Persmissions, long press the file and check/uncheck the boxes so it looks like the original one.

The RW-R--R-- will look like this in the Permission popup box:

RW-
R--
R-- (where the dash are unchecked boxes)

Let me know how it goes...

johnbergsing
03-01-2011, 07:44 PM
How do you paste into the folder? I can't long press anything without bringing up that dialog?

mikeinrichmond
03-01-2011, 07:52 PM
Yes, you have to click the white button called Mount R/W near the top of the screen...

Guinness4Power
03-01-2011, 10:34 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to the whole rooting thing and I'm having some issues with my speeds. I got the DX the day it came out and about a month ago I was talking to a friend and he introduced me to rooting. I checked my dl/ul speeds with all stock on my phone and was getting anywhere between 1500-1900 kbps, but the other day I decided to root and flashed Liberty 1.5 and installed the Big DX Crystal theme. I started tethering with my phone to my laptop and saw this post so I checked my speeds for the first time since rooting and they came out to about 400-500 kbps, but now that I flashed the no throttle, my speeds are coming up 200-400 kbps. Any reason why this could be happening? Oh, and I'm using the SpeedTest.net app to check the speeds. And as for flashoverride, after reading this entire post you just seem to be an uneducated douchebag. Changing your Myspace background doesn't qualify as hacking skills. You fail to realize that wug WAS trying to help out by trying to understand how you came to your problems, but your giant ego just prevented you from admitting you could have done something better. Sorry about that, bad grammar just makes me go ape ****. Any help would be appreciated though.

xrazedx
03-01-2011, 11:18 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to the whole rooting thing and I'm having some issues with my speeds. I got the DX the day it came out and about a month ago I was talking to a friend and he introduced me to rooting. I checked my dl/ul speeds with all stock on my phone and was getting anywhere between 1500-1900 kbps, but the other day I decided to root and flashed Liberty 1.5 and installed the Big DX Crystal theme. I started tethering with my phone to my laptop and saw this post so I checked my speeds for the first time since rooting and they came out to about 400-500 kbps, but now that I flashed the no throttle, my speeds are coming up 200-400 kbps. Any reason why this could be happening? Oh, and I'm using the SpeedTest.net app to check the speeds. And as for flashoverride, after reading this entire post you just seem to be an uneducated douchebag. Changing your Myspace background doesn't qualify as hacking skills. You fail to realize that wug WAS trying to help out by trying to understand how you came to your problems, but your giant ego just prevented you from admitting you could have done something better. Sorry about that, bad grammar just makes me go ape ****. Any help would be appreciated though.

Test speeds may differ but actual speeds may not. What are your actual speeds feeling like? The same as before? Not as good as before?

meanbee
03-01-2011, 11:25 PM
the speed tests after or before no throttle flash are inconsistant at best imo. a new number every 2 mins and not just 30 or 40 here or there. honestly go by feel like razed said or if you want to time it in your head. dont go by the speed tests

CrAsH_OvErIdE
03-02-2011, 07:33 AM
How are you going to know the diff if you are not affected by throttling? LoL.

<(-_-)>

CrAsH_OvErIdE
03-02-2011, 07:34 AM
I think, first, you have to use enough data to be subjected to throttling before you can actually find out if this works, right?
I don&rsquo;t think the hack works. Thats just my opinion.

Guinness4Power
03-02-2011, 09:29 AM
the speed tests after or before no throttle flash are inconsistant at best imo. a new number every 2 mins and not just 30 or 40 here or there. honestly go by feel like razed said or if you want to time it in your head. dont go by the speed tests

Yes I do realize that, I guess what I'm wondering about is the huge difference from the speed test since I rooted my phone. My speeds have felt a lot slower since I rooted, YouTube videos don't load quite as well, downloading attachments takes longer etc. I'm going to unroot and see if that makes a difference, I just wanted to see what you guys had to say here first.

MICHO
03-08-2011, 01:50 AM
I've been looking for this all day. Works like a champ

Carpetman
03-15-2011, 12:57 PM
I just DL Liberty 1.5. Does it have the No Throttle included in it? How do I know if it is installed?

DirtyDroid
03-22-2011, 01:42 PM
Hey everyone. Just flashed liberty the other day..no problems runs freat and loving it....one question though..do i have to download these files on my computer then transfer them over bc its saying its not supported wuen i clck on the link?
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